Source: Reddit Wiki by SurferJoe2007
As of December 5, 2024

Table of contents:

• Option 1
• Option 2
• Option 3

Option 1

Guess of 2-4″ of bust growth in 6-12 months. For this option your bust measurement minus under-bust measurement should be at least 3″. Possibly a little more or less depending on height & weight. To use this option with less than 3″ difference, also use the foods from the next section at the same time and be ready to wait 0-6 months longer for growth to first begin. Even if the difference is 3″ or more, the foods are still super helpful and healthy. But not essential.

• 2,400mg shatavari or fenugreek extract with 50% saponins.
  • Do not use saponins if you have hypoglycemia.
  • Start with half dose (1,200mg extract) for a few days.
  • You can also use fenugreek if shatavari is hard to find.
  • You need to target 1200mg saponins. Calculations below:

• 320mg saw palmetto extract oil in a gelcap.
  • If it’s not an extract, around 2,000 mg is fine.
  • If it’s a weaker extract (not an oil), something in between may work.
• 3,000mg MSM or a scoop of collagen powder.
  • A collagen capsule is too small.
  • Neither of these is necessary if using the foods from the next section.
• 1,500mg freeze dried aloe
  • Not any other form of aloe besides fresh picked.
  • If using bulk powder instead of capsules, confirm it is not cosmetic grade (external use only).
  • Also confirm that it doesn’t contain any green parts, which are a laxative. Only the inner gel.
  • “No aloin” also means it doesn’t have the laxative.

• 250mg pueraria mirifica for the first 1/2 of your cycle, starting with your period or 1-2 days after.
  • If you suspect you already have a high estrogen to progesterone ratio you may use 125 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high estrogen to progesterone ratio, you may use none.
  • If a hormone test confirms very high progesterone relative to estrogen, you may use 500-1,000+ mg. But start at the low end and confirm it is helping health and/or nbe before adding more.
  • List of good pueraria mirifica brands: Ainterol, Purafem, PuerariaUK, Siriporn, Thanyaporn, Suplife Pueraria 99, Ladies Pueraria 99.
    • Many other brands of PM may not be any good (unlike other supplements).
• 75mg Progesterone cream during the last 10 days of your cycle.
  • If you suspect you already have a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may use 20-25 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may use none.
  • If a hormone test or a couple cycles of trial and error confirms very high estrogen relative to progesterone, you may use 100-300 mg or in very rare situations temporarily 500-600 mg. But start at the low end and confirm it is helping health and/or nbe before adding more.
• Optionally 15 minute massage twice a week is helpful for circulation. Google female deer or chi massage for example. A little cardio 5-6 days a week 1-2 times a day may also help circulation.

Option 2

Guess of 3-8″ of bust growth in 6-12 months. “Option 2″ in many older posts is now Option 3.

For this option your bust measurement minus under-bust measurement should be at least 5″ before any NBE. Possibly a little more or less depending on height & weight. To use this option with less than 5″, also use the foods from the next section at the same time. If less than 3″, start with the option 1 supplements until growth begins. If so, be prepared to wait an extra 0-6 months for growth to begin. Even if the difference is 5″ or more, the foods are still helpful and healthy. But not essential.

• 2,400mg shatavari or fenugreek extract with 50% saponins.
  • Do not use saponins if you have hypoglycemia.
  • Start with half dose (1,200mg extract) for a few days.
  • You can also use fenugreek if shatavari is hard to find.
  • You need to target 1200mg saponins. Calculations below:

• 320mg saw palmetto extract oil in a gelcap.
  • If it’s not an extract, around 2,000 mg is fine.
  • If it’s a weaker extract (not an oil), something in between may work.
• 3,000mg MSM or a scoop of collagen powder.
  • A collagen capsule is too small.
  • Neither of these is necessary if using the foods from the next section.
• 1,500mg freeze dried aloe
  • Not any other form of aloe besides fresh picked.
  • If using bulk powder instead of capsules, confirm it is not cosmetic grade (external use only).
  • Also confirm that it doesn’t contain any green parts, which are a laxative. Only the inner gel.
  • “No aloin” also means it doesn’t have the laxative.

• 500mg pueraria mirifica for the first 1/2 of your cycle, starting with your period or 1-2 days after.
  • If you suspect you already have a high estrogen to progesterone ratio you may use 250 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high estrogen to progesterone ratio, you may use none.
  • If a hormone test confirms very high progesterone relative to estrogen, you may use 1,000-1,500 mg. But start at the low end and confirm it is helping health and/or nbe before adding more.
  • List of good pueraria mirifica brands: Ainterol, Purafem, PuerariaUK, Siriporn, Thanyaporn, Suplife Pueraria 99, Ladies Pueraria 99.
    • Many other brands of PM may not be any good (unlike other supplements).
• 150mg Progesterone cream (typically 3/4 to 1-1/4 tsp or 3-4 pumps) during the last 10 days of your cycle.
  • If you suspect you already have a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may use 75 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may use none.
  • If a hormone test or a couple cycles of trial and error confirms very high estrogen relative to progesterone, you may use 200-300 mg or in very rare situations temporarily 500-600 mg. But start at the low end and confirm it is helping health and/or nbe before adding more.
• Optionally 15 minute massage twice a week is helpful for circulation. Google female deer or chi massage for example. A little cardio 5-6 days a week 1-2 times a day may also help circulation.

Option 3

Guess of 7-15″ of bust growth (around half gallon added per breast) in 6-18 months. Called “Option 2″ in many old posts.

For this option you need the foods in the next section regardless of starting size. If bust measurement minus underbust measurement is less than 3″, start with the option 1 supplements until growth begins. If so, be prepared to wait an extra 0-6 months for growth to begin. Then gradually add in the below. If bust measurement minus under bust measurement is 10 inches or more, you might want to start with option 1 for slower growth to start. It’s still fine to include the foods mentioned below if you want. Those starting at such a large size tend to grow far faster and likewise might eventually gain much more growth than the guess above from this option, and/or may not want to use everything in order to not grow too much.

• 2,400mg shatavari or fenugreek extract with 50% saponins.
  • Do not use saponins if you have hypoglycemia.
  • Start with half dose (1,200mg extract) for a few days.
  • You can also use fenugreek if shatavari is hard to find.
  • You need to target 1200mg saponins. Calculations below:

• 320mg saw palmetto extract oil in a gelcap.
  • If it’s not an extract, around 2,000 mg is fine.
  • If it’s a weaker extract (not an oil), something in between may work.
• 3,000mg MSM or a scoop of collagen powder.
  • A collagen capsule is too small.
  • Neither of these is necessary if using the foods from the next section.
• 1,500mg freeze dried aloe
  • Not any other form of aloe besides fresh picked.
  • If using bulk powder instead of capsules, confirm it is not cosmetic grade (external use only).
  • Also confirm that it doesn’t contain any green parts, which are a laxative. Only the inner gel.
  • “No aloin” also means it doesn’t have the laxative.

• 500-1000mg pueraria mirifica during the first 3/4 of your cycle, starting with your period or 1-2 days after.
  • Start with 500 mg then increase to 1,000 mg after at least 4 days if not a full cycle or more.
  • You may also increase to using PM every day.
  • If you suspect you already have a high estrogen to progesterone ratio you may stay at 500 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high estrogen to progesterone ratio, you may use less or none temporarily.
  • List of good pueraria mirifica brands: Ainterol, Purafem, PuerariaUK, Siriporn, Thanyaporn, Suplife Pueraria 99, Ladies Pueraria 99.
    • Many other brands of PM may not be any good (unlike other supplements).
• 225-400mg Progesterone cream during the last 10-12 days of your cycle.
  • 275-450 mg if using PM every day.
  • Start with 225 mg then increase after at least 4 days if not a full cycle or more.
  • If you suspect you already have a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may stay at 225 mg, but not less without confirmation.
  • If it causes you problems or a hormone test confirms a high progesterone to estrogen ratio, you may use less or none temporarily.
  • If a hormone test confirms high estrogen relative to progesterone, you may use up to 600 mg temporarily. But start at the low end and confirm it is helping health and/or nbe before adding more.
  • A 75 mg per pump PC may be more convenient for these amounts.
  • You may want to divide it or use part at night to reduce drowsiness.
  • Or an all progestin birth control such as the mini pill gives a similar progesterone effect and does not cause drowsiness (but may have other side effects).
  • You might find better growth with less PM or less PC than above and can make adjustments every couple cycles to experiment with what works best, in place of stopping for a hormone test. If either causes you side effects, likewise reduce the amount back down. Wait until after you’ve had more cycles on the foods before trying more.
• Optionally 15 minute massage twice a week is helpful for circulation. Google female deer or chi massage for example. A little cardio 5-6 days a week 1-2 times a day may also help circulation.

Other ways to cycle

Skipping the first and/or last day for a cycled supplement is sometimes easier on the body. Up to 100-200 mg pueraria mirifica (PM) and/or 20-40 mg progesterone cream (PC) on off cycle days might not delay a period. A predictable period day is the main reason to cycle, and it is not essential. You can use PM and PC every day of cycling if this is not a concern, and then use around 1 mg PC per 5 mg PM instead of the amount stated above. Or adjust PC up or down every couple months until you find what works best. For example up to 1000 mg PM and 200 mg PC, or 225 mg PC if using a bottle that has 75 mg per pump. Or PC adjusted up or down to what works best. Women in menopause and transgender women may cycle or not cycle. If not using HRT, then either may want additional PM and PC, up to double. Or other progesterone in place of PC. Note that progesterone suppositories are better absorbed than PC and might require less, though eventually (more slowly) most or all of the PC might still absorb.